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at how spending cuts in the so-called fiscal cliff would affect national security. also, our "washington journal" series on the fiscal cliff with talk about the alternative minimum tax. we will also talk with senator tom cole of oklahoma. >> several liebowitz to tell you about on c-span3 tomorrow. politico post journalists and author bob woodward and marco rubio. a little after 8:00 a.m. eastern. at 10:00 o'clock, the senate appropriations committee will hear about the federal response hurricane sandy. fema director craig fugate and senators from some of the affected states. the house foreign affairs committee and the regional influence. that is at 2:00 p.m. eastern. the senate voted on the u.n. treaty for the disabled. sixty-six votes were needed for ratification. sixty-eight to 38 the vote failed. >> i think it would be fair not to use of the time in an unfair way. i would ask that if they are not ready to use their time, that this be charged against them. because i think it is important that we don't give a part-time as a result of that. i ask unanimous consent that we not be charged
. >> all of the attention today in washington is on the looming fiscal cliff. president obama administration is quietly handing over billions of dollars to the united nations in the name of global warming. >> that was the opening salvo of a recorded message that was sent to qatar where they joined 200 countries around the world this week at a united nations climate issue summit. negotiations continue regarding a large scale climate treaty to be signed by 2015. while the u.s. senate would have to ratify any international treaty by two-third vote, inhalf says he and others are more concerned about the domestic regulations. he continued to press white house about why the administration failed to issue reports on pending regulations in april and october as required by law. the white house wouldn't explain the last to us, the source says the federal agencies are in the process of pulling together that information. bret? >> bret: thank you. there are a lot of extremely happy people in washington state tonight at the stroke of midnight, hundreds lit up under the seattle space needl n
on the fiscal cliff. here's the wall street journal -- but then here's the "washington times this morning with their deadline -- headline -- so those are two headlines on house speaker john boehner and how he is doing in the fiscal cliff tops. headline is the president and the speaker both press each other. so that the latest in the back and forth on the fiscal cliff talks. the polls out, this is one from gallup. and the new york post shows this poll -- back to our topic, our question, do you support or oppose right-to-work laws? paul in utica, michigan, democrat. caller: i live in suburban detroit. i am a retired union worker, not automotive, by the way. i don't think my union is a thug in any way, but i think it's a sad day for the state of michigan. if the workers in this country cannot look to michigan like they always have, for a decent pay, and i think that is where we are headed, i just think it is a sad day. all the people who voted for these republicans, they are going to get what they asked for. this is what is going on here. i really sad about it. host: the car czar for michiga
coast. and we are at 27. the number of days before the nation is going to slip over the fiscal cliff and that is what people are talking about. unfortunately, in washington they are not talking to each other about it. right now president obama is meeting with the washington business roundtable. that's just minutes after speaker boehner met with rank and file gop lawmakers and former speaker pelosi met with house democrats. they are all in each other's corners speaking amongst each other but all eyes are on the fiscal cliff. let's scoot over to the president. easy merging from that meeting with the washington business leaders. let's see what he has to say. >> jim, thanks for your leadership. you know, originally my team had prepared some remarks, they always get nervous when i'm out there on my own, never know what i might say. but given the dialogue that we had the last time, i thought it was useful for me to abbreviate my remarks, speak off the cuff at the top and then most of the time just having a conversation. let me begin by saying all of you in this room are not just business l
a 39.6%. that's the washington post this morning. below that, governors say the fiscal cliff would hurt their states' economies. several governors met at the white house yesterday and with political leaders to say something needs to be done or their economies and on the state level will be heard. -- be hurt. let's go to walter in new jersey, independent caller. good morning. caller: good morning. i don't know what's wrong with these people, because they have to come to some kind of agreement. the gop has to give ground, taxes wouldybody's go up just to save 2%. it just does not cut it. it is a bad move politically and bad for the country. host: polloi in johnsonville, virginia. -- floyd. caller: i was thinking about the fiscal cliff. i don't think that's the problem at. the problem is when we fell off the moral cliff. our president said gay marriage was ok. and america killing so many babies. side,e get back on god's everything else will take care of itself. that's the way it is. a guy said it seemed like christians are down and out. let me tell you, christians are the happiest people t
to a commercial break. we'll talk about our own dysfunctional people in washington, d.c., in this fiscal cliff. [ man ] in hong kong, on my way to the board meeting... anne's tablet called my phone. anne's tablet was chatting with a tablet in sydney... a desktop in zurich... and a telepresence room in brazil. the secure cloud helped us get some numbers from my assistant's pc in new york. and before i reached the top, the board meeting became a congrats we sold the company party. wait til my wife's phone hears about this. [ cellphone vibrating ] [ female announcer ] with cisco at the center, working together has never worked so well. >>> this week, we made a good faith offer to avert the fiscal crisis. now, we need a response from the white house. we can't sit here and negotiate with ourselves. >> house speaker boehner saying that is president obama and the democrats to save you for being higher taxes. this fiscal cliff thing, the problem with the republicans, larry, is that they have been boxed in by the democrats into a difficult position where the polls confirm that the public in america bel
's really negotiating anything? you have the fiscal cliff, and you have all kinds of gridlock in washington. what do you make of what you see? >> it is very strange. i mean, it could be that somebody should sit down and rewrite the way america runs things, because, you know, while america did this, china moves forward rapidly. other countries are more decisive move forward rapidly. so i think on the fiscal cliff it will get sorted. it would be nice if there could be a bit more decisive leadership. if you run a company, you don't have this -- this horrible problem where you can't make decisions. you can get on and say if i want to get into space, i'll go into space. let's get on and invest in it. if i want to go down to the bottom of the oceans, let's build a submarine that goes to the bottom of oceans. it's a lot easier than running a country. >> do you blame any particular side? is it all the same to you? >> look, i think i'm slightly biased one way more than the other, but i'm not going to push out 50% of the people watching your program right now. all right. i think that as far as things
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and congress can't make a deal on the so-called fiscal cliff. a source of great concern for so many people, everyone's taxes will go up, will go up if there's no deal. let's go live to our white house correspondent dan lothian. he's on the scene for us over at the white house. how did it go, dan? >> reporter: well, wolf, we've seen the president do this before in the past whenever he's locked in negotiations with lawmakers. he heads out on the road, either goes to a backyard or sits down around a dinner table to put pressure on congress. that's what he did today when he went to falls church sitting down with the santana family. their parents who also are employed live in the household with them. so if taxes do go up on middle class americans, the overall hit on that household will be $4,000. so they're very concerned, but they were quite happy. they said it isn't every day that the president comes by and hangs out at your house. the message the president was trying to drive home today was aimed directly at congress and using this backdrop to tell a personal story. >> for them to be burdene
washington politicians to settle their differences and avoid the fiscal cliff. they could be, working all this out behind-the-scenes and will tell us later. they could be. maybe the threat of working through the holidays will get them on the move? that is coming up. and a possibly breakthrough in the high profile murder case that cops call a "hit" job. police now have the get away car. but what about the driver? nounc] you like who you are... and you learned something along the way. this is the age of knowing what you're made of. so, why let erectile dysfunction get in your way? talk to your doctor about viagra. 20 million men already have. ask if your heart is healthy enough for sex. do not take viagra if you take nitrates for chest pain; it may cause an unsafe drop in blood pressure. side effects include headache, flushing, upset stomach, and abnormal vision. to avoid long-term injury, seek immediate medical help for an erection lasting more than four hours. stop taking viagra and call your doctor right away if you experience a sudden decrease or loss in vision or hearing. this is the a
and president obama remain very far apart in the fiscal cliff negotiations. political reporter jamie dupree joins us via skype from washington, d.c. you said there's two words we are not likely to hear and we haven't heard in any of this fiscal cliff debate. >> reporter: yeah, balanced budget. in all of the talks we've heard about the fiscal cliff, we've heard about balance and new tax revenue. but we don't hear balanced a budget. i think -- balanced budget. i think this speaks to how bad the situation is in the federal government when both parties don'tage knowledge that. as for -- don't acknowledge that. as for what's going on, just downstairs from me, speaker boehner started throwing cold water on any report that the talks were moving ahead. yes, there have been an exchange of offers. he said the last couple of days, but he said his phone call last night was a frank discussion about just how far apart they are. with 19 days left until the deadline or nine days until the end of the world, if you are look at the mine cardinal, nobody knows which way -- calendar, nobody knows which way we a
increases and spending cuts that people here in washington call the fiscal cliff. most house members are going home today with only 27 days to make a deal. two house leaders who are not going home are with me in the situation room. they're working very hard to avoid the fiscal cliff. thanks so much for coming in. for so long, republicans wanted to extend the bush tax cuts forever, now for 98% of the american people, the democrats are saying, we're ready. we've given up, we'll let you have those bush tax cuts for as long as possible. let's just resolve that, we'll move on to some of the tougher issues later. let's make sure that 98% of the american families have these lower tax rates into next year. why not give that? >> the debate over those top two pshsz, is really a strong man debate. what we need is tax reform in america. we need a simpler less complicated tax code. >> i agree with you. we need a tax reform. why not resolve this one issue, make sure taxes don't increase for 98% of the americans, 100% of americans for their first $250,000 a year. let them have that, and then move o
for the rest of the week. so why are they leaving when the fiscal cliff is 26 days away? >> you know, it is an interesting decision. look, we are in the lame duck congress and so what the republican leadership says is that they simply don't have a lot of legislation to put on the floor to keep members of congress here. however, you are right. the optics of republicans leaving today, wednesday, with two days left in the week with the fiscal cliff not too far away certainly may be questionable. what they insist is that their members are going to go back home and talk to their businesses and small business leaders to maybe play the outside in-game that the president has been playing by trying to rally support for his side of this issue. >> dana bash, reporting live from capitol hill. >>> also, right now, brefing congress about exactly what happened in benghazi. every single members of the house of representatives, all 400 plus of them were invited. so elise, this is a multimedia presentation. so is it a power point on benghazi? >> reporter: well, carol, the members are just starting to
. >> as these fiscal cliff negotiations and debate continues, i think it's important to remember that washington doesn't have a revenue problem, it has a spending problem. and under this administration, under president obama, we have seen record deficits and a record debt accumulate, and yet he keeps demanding that we raise taxes to pay for more spending. this will only hurt our economy. ernst and young has done an analysis of the president's proposal and said it will cost several hundreds thousands of jobs. there is a better way and the speaker has laid it out. it is an approach that calls for tax reform by reforming the tax code and passing responsible spending cuts in order to get our fiscal house in order. that's what america wants. this is our opportunity to do the big things. this is our moment to provide that leadership that america desperately wants and we stand here ready to take the action necessary. >> the american people are hurting right now and now is the moment where we need to step up to the plate and solve the problem. i don't know how any of us can look our kids and grandkids in the
's fiscal cliff meeting. cnn's sane yore political analyst, mr. david dergan, he joins me by phone. david, before i ask you, it's interesting. this is the latest from jessica yellin and folks in washington. both sides are saying, they met at the white house, in efforts to resolve the fiscal cliff, no the reading out any details. they believe that this -- it is encouraging because they're on the same message, they seem to be in agreement. what do you think? >> i think it is encouraging. certainly on the surface. the most important reason it's encouraging is that both men are obviously looking for a compromise. they're both looking for a solution. with time running out it was urgent that this week, they try to strike a deal. and i think the deal can be wrapped up fairly quickly. everybody knows what the debate for months and months and months how to possibly do this. i think there are two questions, don. one is the short-term question, are they getting closer to avoiding the fiscal cliff? that's the short-term. 23 days that we just heard. the second question is the longer-term question. can
for american progress. >> as washington is focused on the fiscal cliff and other issues around the budget and long-term fiscal discipline, one may wonder why we are having an event today on innovation. we are doing it because these issues are linked. ensure in the united states is maintaining its head in the global economy. role is central to that competitiveness. that has not just happened by happenstance. it has been the work led by the private sector but decisions that have been critical to that success. we look at the questions around the united states fiscal discipline. we wanted to make sure that we have some discussion about the assessment we made in the role of issues that are not always at the forefront. the vital role america's universities have played. the fact that our institutions of higher learning are the best in the world and people from around the world want to come to the united states to be our next generation of on japan new hours because of our system of higher education. the staff that we have our worldwide brands because of the innovations that they have made and th
that so-called fiscal cliff. in our new nbc news/wall street journal poll just out for us today, most americans say they want compromise. joining me here for our daily fix, chris, msnbc contributor and managing editor of postpolitics.com. the fiscal cliff, the people that we polled, americans get it. they want, two-thirds of them, 65% say they want a deal to be done. they want compromises even if it means targeted entitlement cuts and tax increases. >> yeah, and i don't think we should be terribly surprised by that, andrea. the truth of the matter is over the last decade or so what we've seen is congress, really, because of redistricting and other things like that, members of congress don't tend to have to represent the middle of the country. they wind up representing their two-party bases, the people that deeply disagree. democratic base does not want entitlement cuts, republican base does not want to raise taxes. but people in general like the idea congress can get something done on something big. now, i would say there's a little bit of devil in the details. the question does ask a
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. >> there you go. it's my fiscal cliff helmet down here in washington. >> oh, understood. >> i love it. let's go through the list. not surprising who is number one? >> a re-elected barack obama back at number one. two years ago we had hu jintao so it is not automatic the president is at the top but with a kind of mini mandate, four more years and the defacto leader of the free world it is a pretty easy selection of number one. >> angela merkel number two. easy to understand. >> europe goes through germany and germany goes through merkel. >> let's talk about vladimir putin coming in at number three. >> yes. he has been on the list even when he wasn't president because we all know who was still running the show then. he's back up there with a bullet. he's been as high as two on this list. here is somebody who has a u.n. security council permanency, controls a huge oil and gas reserve, has a nuclear tipped army and wields his power very effectively. >> and loves to show his muscles. many times as possible. >> powerful in many ways. that's right. >> of late bill gates has been the rodney dangerfield
in washington. let me start tonight with this, with hope. i think we're getting somewhere with this fiscal cliff problem. number one, smart conservatives now say the republicans would face hell if they let this country go over the fiscal cliff. just to protect the top 2%. better to take the hit now, they argued, than in january with the world economy in turmoil and second recession coming. number two, john boehner, the speaker is claiming he's met obama's demand for higher taxes for the rich. that's good. he agreed in principle the rich must pay more. number three, there's talk for the republican leaders that they could vote to continue the tax cuts for the 98% now and therefore avoid the fiscal cliff and put off for now the top 2%. and the question then, let the debt ceiling not take effect. a tax cut delayed i argue is a tax cut avoided. joining me with the republican defense highly tauted fan of the eagles, ed rendell and alex wagner of msnbc's "now." governor, i want you to read what's going on here. first speaker boehner defended the gop's tax proposal saying it does take a bite out of the
lawmakers don't get it together soon. president obama saying now a deal to avoid the so-called fiscal cliff could be about a week away. there is just one catch. he says republicans have to accept the, quote: reality as he puts it that tax rates are going up for the richest americans. something g.o.p. leaders are calling a deal breaker. >> we're not insisting on rates just out of spite or out of any kind of partisan bickering. but rather because we need to raise a certain amount of revenue. we can probably solve this. it's not that tough. but we need that conceptual break through that says we need to do a balanced plan. >> we made a good faith offer to avert the fiscal crisis and that offer included significant spending cuts reforms and it included additional revenue. and frankly, it was a balanced approach mr. president has been asking for. now we need a response from the white house. >> they have 27 days to prevent automatic tax hikes and spending cuts from kicking in on new year's day. ed henry live at the white house for us. ed, we are hearing the president and house speaker john boehne
] >> tomorrow we will talk about the latest out of the fiscal cliff negotiations. then a look at the lobbying going around the fiscal of negotiations by clients in washington. our guest is an up polymer. later, the response from the community. >> this week the new chairman of the governors' association. he talks about the so-called fiscal cliff, affordable care act and the groundwork for the elections. what newsmakers live sunday it 10:00 a.m. eastern on c-span. >> it was estimated that the land of hiroshima would cause our fishermen to be killed. >> as harry truman's grandson, i'd choose to honor both -- the sacrifice of american servicemen fighting their way through the pacific end of the door girl like sadoku who died as the result of an atomic bombing. it is unimaginable what that must have been like to be close to that of where that fireball originated. >> follow him on his journey to hiroshima sunday on c-span3. he joins us to discuss meetings with survivors and the inspiration for his trip at 9:00 p.m. eastern. >> next, we will look at the new communist party of leadership in china and
with the benefit of 500 miles how does this for the prospects for a deal on fiscal cliff look from your perspective? >> you know -- >> do you think it's going to happen. >> short answer is i don't know because i see two trends simultaneously. one, you hear voices in either party saying, hey, it wouldn't be so bad if we go over the cliff. some of the hysteria attendant to the whole notion of the cliff is being -- dissipating. on the other hand, if you look at the numbers, they are not that far apartment. you know, honestly, it's not as though we are dealing with major tectonic plates moving in separate drksz. the president saying 1.6 trillion in revenue and boehner saying 800 billion. so compromise at 1.2 trillion. you see the cuts the deal in aggregate are about 2 and change in trillions. where they differ emotional is raising rates. for obtain is a line in the sand. for the president, that's a line in the sand. there are mechanisms buckets and closing loopholes don't satisfy the president. so that is the sticking point. have to work around that? hard to
and social security should be part of negotiations on fiscal cliff. we will talk with john larson on how house democrats take on the issue and stephen ola and christina martin and david john of the heritage foundation, on the long-term solvency of social security. "washington journal" is live every morning on c-span at 7:00 a.m. eastern. >> the white house was very controversial as most americans were. >> it was designed for appellate, but americans were having a pellets. it was not particularly awe-inspiring. a european diplomat told the congress that it was neither large or are of the awe-inspiring nature. to . >> "new york times" critic kitty goldberg gathered photographs in history on sunday evening at 730 eastern and pacific on c-span3 american history tv. >> president obama this evening said the u.s. now recognizes the main syrian opposition group as the legitimate representative of its country's people. turkish journalism has reported that the new america foundation. two men have returned from the country into the to the west can do more to help the syrian people. [inaudible conve
of the fiscal cliff negotiation. after that, joe shaw looks at the estate tax, which is set to go up the end of the year plus, your e-mails, phone calls, and tweets. "washington journal" is live at 7:00 a.m. eastern on c-span. now come in a discussion of how the military and national security might be a affected by spending cuts at the first of the year. part of the so-called fiscal cliff. former chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, mike mike mullen, was joined at how services committee. this is a less than an hour. >> good afternoon. thank you for coming. my name is peter peterson. i would like to give you a review of why we are supporting this project today. starting about 30 years ago, after studying the profound demographic trends, on the vast and unfunded promise we have made. i have decided was not unsustainable, but a primary threat to the future. speaking of unsustainable, in the nixon white house in which i served, the chairman of the council, if something is unsustainable, he says it continues to stop. or if you don't like that, if your worst eyes, i suggest that you does not dis
to that, is the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff? >> absolutely. there is no room for an agreement that the not involve the rates going up for the top 2%. >> speaking to a roundtable of corporate executives in washington, president obama said republicans' aid to examine the reality that tax rates will rise for the wealthiest americans. >> we have seen some movement in the last several days with some republicans. there has been a recognition that, maybe, they can accept some rate increases as long as is combined with a serious impediment reform and additional spending cuts. and if we can get the leadership on the republican side to take that kramer, to acknowledge that reality, then the numbers are actually not that far apart. another way of putting this is, we could probably solve this in about one week. it is not that tough. >> new details have been revealed in the retail giant kermit factory where 120 dacre workers died in a fire last month. "the new york times" is reporting that wal-mart played a key role in blocking the improvement of safety features at the ban
the national debt and avoid the fiscal cliff. that's coming up in just a little bit. >>> we also can't leave seattle without taking note of another huge milestone in washington state. voters legalized same-sex marriage last month too so today here's the picture. midnight on the dot clerks handed out marriage licenses and those were the first two in line. they met on a blind date back in 1977 and they never thought that they would live to legally wed amongst all of these other people who showed up for their legal licenses in seattle. by the way, the ceremony of those elderly ladies like many others will take place this sunday. ♪ [ male announcer ] shift the balance of power decisively in your favor. the exclusive eight-speed transmission and rotary shifter in the new 2013 ram 1500. engineered to move heaven and earth. guts. glory. ram. yeah we both relieve coughs, sneezing, aches, fevers. and i relieve nasal congestion. overachiever. [ female announcer ] tylenol® cold multi-symptom nighttime relieves nasal congestion. nyquil® cold and flu doesn't. [ female announcer ] holiday cookies are
's the great unknown in all of this fiscal cliff fighting. some argue the country won't be badly damaged if the country hits the fiscal cliff. republicans and democrats keep arguing into the new year. others are worried failure to strike a deal could send the nation back into a recession. >> i think people understand the failure to compromise and going over the cliff could really jeopardize this recovery. the good news today about more people back at work, the unemployment rate coming down, listen, that can be reversed if people lose confidence in our future. >> the number two senate ranked democrat mr. temperature bib argues next week will be critical in terms of president obama and speaker boehner finding a compromise. shep? >> shepard: democrats are still saying what they have said all along and what the president ran on this is about taxes. >> that is true and they note president obama campaigned on upper income americans paying more so they intend to make sure that happens. the house democratic leader says the only obstacle is republicans refusing to ask the top 2% to pay more. >> t
really interesting. washington is so obsessed right now with the fiscal cliff, myself included. what is happening with the budget showdown. yet they -- the polling seems to indicate that job creation and and the state of the economy remain, you know, their main concern. go ahead, todd. >> i think they go hand in hand because from a business perspective certainly, large corporations are sitting on lots of cash. they're not investing right now because they're unsure of the future, not just the economic future, but also the future of tax policy in all the rest of that. and all of that is tied in hand to hand. that is, to some degree, keeping the economy back. if we can reach some sort of a deal where we are not coming to blows over six months or year on what policy will look like for another six months, that will give us a lot of confidence and create the kind of government that people say they want. i'm not so sure there is really a bifurcation between what washington is focused on a more people said they want because i do think all of it ultimately is about jobs and economic growth. >
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leaders plan to handle social security as part of the fiscal cliff talks. later, more on the role of social security would the aarp and david john of the heritage foundation. "washington journal" is live every day at 7:00 a.m. eastern on c-span. an official with the department of housing and urban development brief the banking committee of the senate on housing programs that provide rental housing for over 3 million low-income families. she talks about proposals and simplifying operations and reducing cost and hud section eight programs. this is 40 minutes. >> i call this hearing to order. i would like to welcome the honorable senator sandra henriquez about the hud section eight program. millions try to afford everyday a roof over their head. currently, persons with a full-time job and earned about $18.50 per hour in order to afford a modest two-bedroom rental, is the national average. this is an amount far from minimum wage for the income provided by social security income. a further penalty is not just the problem of the largest cities in the country. the hud committee developme
for digging into this stuff. we've got the debate about the fiscal cliff and the debt ceiling and we're talking in the trillions. before you can even get to the trillions, if you can't stop stuff like this, does the american public ever believe that washington is going to get its act together if you can't stop this 100,000 here, million there, all, of course, adds up to billions. if we can't stop the zombies, taxpayers paying for the zombies, how can we ever tackle medicare and social security? [laughter] megyn: that's the thing that makes people upset, julie. all right, if you're going to increase my taxes to help pay down the debt, help people in need, that's one thing, but if i'm going to be paying for zombies or for santa to ride the $250,000 sleigh, i object. >> i'm a little embarrassed. can you imagine being an employee and having to pretended to be a zombie? >> those were actors. >> i don't know about that. [laughter] i think they may have been dhs employees dressed up. charles is right, thanksgiving a little ri -- this is a little ridiculous. i understand what they're trying
to be the fiscal cliff and the white house position on it. let's talk about it with angela mcglowan, fox news political analyst. you have been in washington. >> for a very long time. jon: i'm not going to say that. you're way too young to have been there a long time but you know how these things work. >> yes. jon: is this all political posturing? is there stuff really going on behind the scenes that we don't know about or hear about? >> this is political theater at its best. anytime both sides offer a plan that's when the negotiating process starts. the optimist here. i do believe we will come to a deal, jon. i think you will see a lot more political posturing but you are having policy wonks behind the scenes crunching the numbers so they can work out a deal. jon: well the president has said there has to be higher taxes on the top 2%. >> yeah. jon: republicans essentially said we'll give you higher taxes but do it by reforming, closing loopholes and not raising rates. >> right. basically the republicans came up with what obama said in 2011. he wanted, there was discussion dealing with $1.2 tr
weeks away from falling off that fiscal cliff. while the president says it can be avoided is it willing to compromise on the tax cuts for the rich? is a plunge inevitable or can we prevent it. >> mike: joining us from washington d.c., chris wallace. >> hey, guys. >> mike: chris, answer the question with 23 days left. what's going to happen? >> well, you know, i have to say, mike, that as time has gone on and as we've seen a distinct lack of progress i'm growing increasingly pessimistic, couple of weeks ago, you would say it's so crazy and they've got the to make a deal eventually and i would assume they'll reach a compromise to raise some revenue and cut some spending, reform some entitlements to avoid this bad situation which we're calling the fiscal cliff, when you have automatic tax increases and spending cuts, but as we, you know, the time goes, it's been three weeks since the election, i'm growing increasingly pessimistic. >> we're been talking about it on the show, chris, and brought up a couple of times that the president, if he does nothing, the tax cuts expire, and the defens
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